AstroOwl

Really? I was completely unaware of that (sarcasm) Seriously, i did accounted for that. You don't even need to understand any math to see that i did. If you want a version without any math whatsoever: When you put less than 5 in, you spend less items on each research run => you get more runs => even with reduced chances of success, more runs are enough to get the same amount of next rarity items as with 5-runs + some spare no-upgrade items return from unsuccessful runs.

There is something Homeworld-ish about it. Ah, wait, you even mention this. One can certainly see Homeworld's influence from afar. Great job. Would be nice to see stats, too.

TL,DR: When you want to upgrade a lot of items to the next rarity and want on average to get more higher rarity items, you should research packs of 3 items, not 4 or 5. Now, details, explanation, and why that is so. The question i asked myself is: suppose i have a lot of items to upgrade. I don't need guarantees that i get next-rarity item on each craft. But i want to get maximum higher-rarity items out of a lot of lower-quality ones. Which way of research (3,4, or 5) should i use? Let's suppose for clarity that you have a lot of Uncommon items and want to upgrade them to rare. Let's now observe profit from possible options of investing Uncommon items. I would do so in two ways, for clarity and better understanding. Way 1, harder to understand, but more strictly done: Way 2, easier to understand: TL,DR version of the explanation: investing some amount of, say, Uncommon items in packs of 3 would yield you on average as much Rare items as you would get by investing in packs of 5, but on top of that, you would get ~13% of your Uncommon items back, and would be able to turn them in for additional Rares.

That's an interesting thing, by the way. So basically that means that: - researching trinium weapons at 47-tech-level research station and - reseraching avorion weapons of the same quailty on the same station would yield (on average, of course) same potential quality 47-tech-level weapons, and the only difference would be required placement material? That would make low-material weapon turrets much more valuable! good.

I tried that. It has no collision, you just pass through it. That's why i decided not to go into planet in the video.

Funny thing is that was me. I made that ship which moved at 300 000 m/s around the planet. But to make such a ship, you need to design around it and sacrifice something. That's the point. The thing is: yes, obviously, i can just choose to limit my maneuverability if i want. Or, if i think the shields are overpowered, i can just don't use shields. If i think railguns making all other weapons obsolete, i can ignore railguns. But: What's the point of not having huge maneuverability if you can? IF you can pick any stats, there is no challenge in creating a good ship. This game is not Spore, where what you build have no effects on stats of the ship. Process of creating a ship involves both creating good looks and achieving desired stats, and this things are interwoven to some point (but not to the point where your ship can't look in a certain way, otherwise it would limit the people's imagination). If you don't need to sacrifice anything (size, for example) to achieve desired result, then this result costs absolutely nothing. There is no point in saying "this is a maneuverable ship" if any ship can be as maneuverable as you want. There is no point in saying "this ship is very durable" if any ship can be as durable as you want (without sacrificing anything). Reason i'm against allowing achieving high rad/s without sacrifices is not realism, and not the will to reduce fun. It is because i want the maneuverability to actually mean something, to be a desired advantage, not a thing default to any ship. The fun of creating a good ship is to balance between different advantages (slot number, durability, maneuverability, etc) to achieve what you want. If you don't need to think about it, then the concept of "ship stats" makes no sense at all: make all ships have same base stats, which can be modified by modules, and customizable appearance. But that would be another game.

The thing is, thrusters don't make your ship any more ugly, they can be placed inside the ship, just like any other block. It would be like 1. saying "i want double the shields" 2. placing additional shields outside the ship instead of dedicating internal volume for this 3. whining on the forum how shields destroy creativity and make ugly ships. As for the blocks with super stats - i hope that this would eventually be moddable, or have an alternative branch, so that people who want to have arbitrary stats, non-dependent on their ship size, would have the possibility to play their own game.

I am NOT promoting realism for the sake of realism in this game. Yes, it is not a sim, and never will be. This is a sandbox game about having fun. Absolutely correct. And "battleships" turning like fighters is not fun. It is immersion-breaking. Main thing is: in this game, ship's stats do depend on design of your ship. You are trying to pick one stat (maneuverability) and say that is should be possible to have any desired maneuverability, no matter what ship you build. "Sandbox" don't yet mean "i should be able to build anything and then assign to it any desired stats no matter what". If we continue your idea, next logical thing to say would be: "hey, i want to have a miniature ship, 10 meters long, and i want it to have 10 million shields! Why that is not possible? This is the game about having fun or what? That limits my creativity, i want to be able to create small but indestructible ship!" That would be exactly as valid as your statements.

It is not "impossibiru to make amazing design". It's just some people for some reason expect that is should be easy to make over-a-megaton ship rotate like a fighter. What are you trying to achieve is not "decent" maneuverability. It is "ridiculously high" maneuverability for ship of that size. Big ships ARE supposed to be handled differently. It's not ruining your possibility to make ships of desired shape and looks, and recreate some SSD from SW or whatever. But when you do, remember that SSD do not rotate that fast at all. That would just ruin all the feeling of "big ship". I would personally vote for making big ships rotate even harder. Maybe people would eventually realize what mouse aiming is for, and stop trying to handle every ship like a corvette. However, if that would happen, loot collecting should be easier, imo. Heavy sluggish battleship flying around and trying to "catch" floating upgrades with its face is very stupid, immersion-breaking, and unnecessarily annoying.

It needs some cargo bays to store its production. Use Build mode to add them (also, don't forget to add some docking ports). Other than that, nothing is necessary. It can mine even with zero crew (it will slowly destroy itself without mechanics like any other ship, however).

Respectfully disagree. There is already a way to boost specific axis: directional thrusters. Markers on gyros make no sense, since gyros apply exactly the same torque to each axis (yaw, pitch, roll). If some rotation is boosted more than others, that means that your moment of inertia along that axis is smaller than along others. And that moment of inertia is dependant on your mass distribution, for example: Long, thin ship would roll more easily Wide, short ship would have high Pitch and "vertically" oriented ship would naturally be easier to yaw. That's the point, no? When you start making really big ships, you can't just slap some volume of gyros and be okay - bigger creation means using more interesting decisions to maintain maneuverability, like directional thrusters placed strategically. As for me, gyros being weaker for larger ships is wonderful, because making large ships to turn should be hard. Not impossible, no, but you need to think about it and dedicate some of your voulme for this cause.

Thanks! Yes, they are used: two of containers (so, 2X 5*5*5 vloume) are Avorion inertia dampeners. Even without them, braking thrust is around 56 m/s^2 thanks to the directional thrusters, though =)

I present to you a new ship: Albatross - class heavy cargo hauler When you want to trade, supply your bases and don't want to think about cargo storage (unless you go completely insane), the Albatross is the answer for you. Over 35 000 cargo storage and reasonable price allows it to be used before you get to that "insane endgame" point and get into high-volume trading. Production cost: 5'450'921 credits 375'153 Trinium 173'913 Avorion 2'150 Ogonite xml: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1itgp32eonwwy44/Albatross.xml?dl=0 Further details under spoiler:

Well, i decided i should go for a specialized ship for a speed record. I made this. Engines, some thrusters, engines, energy modules, and.. ah yes, engines. raw (no modules) ship stats behind spoiler: Then i added some modules, more Engineers, and... here is the result. Over 300 000 m/s. [skip to 2:00 for start of acceleration]

Nah, don't bother with that at least until you get to Xanion (strongest pre-Barrier) material. Also, when you do bother with stationbuilding, don't forget the Out Of Sector Production mod, or else that factories would cost you more in crew salary than they give you in trade goods.

Calm down and just change the collision setting to 0.1 (10%, my choice) or 0.0 (remove completely). You can do it in an already started game. That is not a cheating, you want to play a game where asteroids are not the major threat => you play it.

The trading in its core is the same. But there are 2 benefits to setting up a production chain close to the core: 1) as you get closer to the center, NPC stations tend to get bigger, which means more maximum stock => bigger deals. 2) Best turret factories are ones close to the core. If you are going to produce anything that can be consumed via turret factories, it would be better to do so at the core. TLDR: Yes, there are indirect, but serious advantages.

Yes, it is possible. Once cleared the approach to my own station by "pushing" asteroids with ship hull. You can also use Force Turrets.

I now can remember 2 options: 1) copy your ship to clipboard, and then ctrl+v and mouseover some block. Game will show the cost of ship you are trying to add (don't forget to turn symmetry off!) 2) Use /price command from Aki: http://www.avorion.net/forum/index.php/topic,830.0.html As for releasing system - void XML separately - yeah, seems like a good idea. But not everyone wants to fill in the shell, so ready-for-use version is very important, too =) UPD. i should warn you, only one thread is allowed (per creator). So it's better to select which of the threads would be your only one and plan accordingly. Most likely your threads would soon be merged by moderator. Probably a wise decision would be to contact him first to specify on how to do that better, i dunno.

I like the style, and moreover, the... some uniformity of style Like, the corvette and destroyer look like they could appear in the same fleet of some new sci-fi race/faction. Destroyer looks bigger, more complex, but at the same time shares the style with Corvette. Good. Couple of suggestions for better understanding the gameplay implication of the ships: - Show the stats with minimal crew and no modules, please. To see the "intrinsic" stats of the ship, without buffs/nerfs from modules. - List the production cost Thanks =)

Really wish more people would understand that. Broken thruster mechanics and buffed rotation was around for some time and people fell under the wrong impression that battleships rotating at huge speed is how it should be :c

Update removed the artificial 6x multiplier for rotational speed. Basically, what you want to do is to use directional thrusters, and place them where the lever arm for the corresponding direction would be the highest. For example, left/right oriented thrusters would give you more yaw when placed far to the front/back of the ship. Just making a some thrusters and placing them somewhere won't get you much. Best option is to dedicate furthest from CoM places to some reasonable volume of dir. thrusters in a way which benefits the most from lever arm. As for the gyros, they are mostly for lighter, smaller ships. They don't get the benefit of an increased lever arm. P.S. and yes, there is no need to ruin appearence of the ship: dedicate the internal space for necessary amount of thrusters, and thrusters on the outside can be as small as appearence requires.

Gyros, form what i understand, work better for small ships and worse for large ones. Thing is, the torque generated by gyros is proportional only to their volume, while in case of thrusters it is volume*lever arm. When we are upscaling ship and all the dimensions are, say, doubled, then: the torque generated by gyros is increased by 2*2*2 = 8 times (since volume is 8*(old volume)) the torque generated by thrusters is increased by 2*2*2*2 = 16 times (additional "*2" is because lever arm is also doubled). This naturally makes gyros a good option for small ships, but for large ones, you need to start using thrusters to gain advantage of big lever arms. I personally like this situation, since it buffs rotation of small ships, but don't give too much rotation to large ones, which helps immersion, imo.

I might add then: C1,C2,C3 >> 1 Otherwise it would be too easy =)

I think this suggestion can be redone/improved in a following way, if this is possible: A: Turret factories buy turret components and stockpile them. They pay usual market price (depending on if stock is full, like Equipment Docks would do, for example). B: When you order a turret from a turret factory, it uses its stock of turret components to produce them. However, it charges you more (in credits) than it does now. C: Cost of producing a certain turret does not depend just on quality of it, but also on number of components, in a way like this: Price = Traitscoeff*(C0*Typecoeff*Qcoeff + C1*N1*Comp1price + C2*N2*Comp2price + C3*N3*Comp3price ...... ) where C0, C1, C2 - constant coefficients, C1,C2,C3, ... >1 Typecoeff - dependency on turret type Qcoeff - dependent on turret quality N1,N2,N3 ... - number of corresponding components used in a process Comp(1/2/3)price - average price of corresponding component Traitscoeff - dependent on turret traits, like "+X% damage". TL,DR: you can sell components to turret factory now, and use them later on. Turret factory charges you for using its components.