So... Plagiarism. (Resolved)

[DerpSuper++]

EDIT:

It seems the person intended to upload it for personal use, but is a fucking retard who doesn't know how to upload stuff probably screwed up somewhere along the line. I advised him to tweak its privacy settings so that only he could see and use it. Hopefully that solves things.

 

 

 

So... This happened.

 

 

It's my ship btw, the Pioneer Superlight Miner on my catalog.

 

 

Should I just sit, wait and see, or pour gasoline, light a match and count to three?

 

Is plagiarism considered an offence here? I was taught that it is a massive one in a working environment, but no mention of it in this context. Do people even care? Because I'm mildly offended, even if the guy's just being stupid and posting it obliviously with the intention of either testing or storing a blueprint.

 

Also, do I seem like I'm overreacting to this?

[Fox]

Sad Fox is sad...  :'(

 

And nothing bad to start somewhere given IMO, i myself plundered the Space Engineers Workshop a bit and began to modify their basic designs for the FX-3 Series here in Avorion...As you can see, lots of things to come... Just always make sure to give proper credit where credit is due, sadly we had alot of trouble with plagiarism over at Space Engineers...

 

Was foreseeable, but that was quick... but if the Community is half as dedicated as they did in SE ppl will recognice popular Designs and (in my expierience) shitstorm the comment section of such an individual...

 

I dont see anything bad in a little reminder, often its not intentional bad behaviour but just unarwareness, and it is definetly not asked too much to add 3 words into the comment section, like "made by X", "inspired by Y" or "based on Z"... nevertheless VERY important to use Snapshottool or Website Archive to have proof of your point, because if it actually IS a case of intentional bad behaviour they dont hesitate to use the most rediculously obvious methods you could imagine to hide their tracks...

 

 

[DerpSuper++]

Hmm... Well, I'll just wait and see where this goes. Even I myself steal borrow design aspects from various ships that I've seen before. Hell, even replicas which are near carbon copies are just a form of pastiche (opposite of parody) because you don't claim it as your own design but build them to honor something you like or respect.

 

"Good artists borrow, great artists steal", but not literally. When I say this, I mean in a sense that almost all works were inspired by or borrow from previous works, themselves being inspired by or borrowed from other previous works, and so on, and so on... Until the beginning of time, all of creation and the will of Cthulu.

 

Starting somewhere, I can understand, but plagiarizing isn't a start in my eyes. I'll forgive people if it's unintentional though, I'm not as sadistic as the guy who writes the descriptions for my ships... Oh, wait...

 

 

Was foreseeable, but that was quick...

 

 

And yes, that was quick... Unfortunately. :/

[snacker]

Should I just sit, wait and see, or pour gasoline, light a match and count to three?

 

Is plagiarism considered an offence here? I was taught that it is a massive one in a working environment, but no mention of it in this context.

 

Well legally speaking it is a breach of your intellectual property rights, if you live in a country that is a signatory to the Bern convention those rights are automatically granted and a "work" does not have to be registered. You can flag any content on Steam if it breaches their terms of service, and they specifically disallow the posting of copyright content. Just because you are not commercialising your content and are allowing people to use your intellectual property in game free of charge does not mean that others can copy it and claim it as their own. In case you hadn't noticed there is a little flag icon in the picture you posted.

 

So in that sense you are not overreacting, I think at the very least it is insulting that someone takes the fruit of your time and effort and claims it as their own creation.

[Fox]

Heh, on a positive note, ...

And yes, that was quick... Unfortunately. :/

... you might feel honoured to be the first one to be copied? I mean, speaks for the quality, no?  :-*

[DerpSuper++]

Should I just sit, wait and see, or pour gasoline, light a match and count to three?

 

Is plagiarism considered an offence here? I was taught that it is a massive one in a working environment, but no mention of it in this context.

 

Well legally speaking it is a breach of your intellectual property rights, if you live in a country that is a signatory to the Bern convention those rights are automatically granted and a "work" does not have to be registered. You can flag any content on Steam if it breaches their terms of service, and they specifically disallow the posting of copyright content. Just because you are not commercialising your content and are allowing people to use your intellectual property in game free of charge does not mean that others can copy it and claim it as their own. In case you hadn't noticed there is a little flag icon in the picture you posted.

 

So in that sense you are not overreacting, I think at the very least it is insulting that someone takes the fruit of your time and effort and claims it as their own creation.

 

Well, apparently, it was an accident on the posters part, at least according to him. I advised him to set it's privacy to "hidden", since he seems to be uploading it for personal use.

 

Still, that bit of info on the Berne Convention will come in useful, and my country is a signatory. Also, I admittedly missed the flag button on Steam, but I didn't want to jump straight to conclusions, which I might have in the heat of that moment.

[snacker]

Well, apparently, it was an accident on the posters part, at least according to him. I advised him to set it's privacy to "hidden", since he seems to be uploading it for personal use.

 

Still, that bit of info on the Berne Convention will come in useful, and my country is a signatory. Also, I admittedly missed the flag button on Steam, but I didn't want to jump straight to conclusions, which I might have in the heat of that moment.

 

Nice that it was resolved so quickly and without too much drama on their part.

 

I am in two minds about the whole issue, on the one hand I am a great believer in sharing and open-source as a concept but on the other hand it is clear that those that create deserve at least the recognition and proper attribution for what they create as well as being as deserving as anyone else to be compensated for their effort if they chose.

 

There is even a disturbing trend growing among companies that are demanding that writers or photographers and graphic artists work for free for a period of time in return for "exposure", something that would be ridiculed if they were asking the same of a doctor or engineer or plumber or any other professional.

[chronoss2008]

my 45 mill volume ship is actually hte amalgamation of about 10 ships and there parts

 

i guess at min i can say that and then ....have maybe a competion for my dervived MASSIVE ship to ask people

 

DO YOU know who made the various bits

and

its one way one can learn is to borrow bits and toy with stuff

 

dont get all stupid about this other guy now everyone knows and he made honest mistake

 

one thing i did copy was an enterprise ship and a stealth fighter , then heavily modified both for real gameplay

ub fact ill publish all the modded ships and unlike others i will state the base models were not created by me

 

 

hows this go for a standard disclaimer people can use ot not offend anyone

 

"the following is a derived work, as in parts of , or base ship was based off another design ...feel free to add a comment of HEY COOL this is my part and what not....also permission to add wreck redesign or ask for removal but that this is a game all works uploaded are by most nations laws become owned by the holder of the games copyrights and as such are technically koonshi's..have fun and feel free to also modify and re-upload , copying is a form of flattery..why reinvent the wheel when you already have it. "

 

[DerpSuper++]

The poster's already removed it from the workshop (or set it to "hidden" like I advised, since that's his go-to starter ship) and apologized. Pretty much all's said and done. And yes, I consider possibilities when stuff happens, an honest mistake was one of them.

 

If you've seen my posts around the forum, usually worded in some form of tasteless humour, you'd see that I don't mind, and even encourage the use of and/or mixing of various existing designs, so long it's based on them and not a blatant carbon copy claiming it's yours. It's one of the many ways designing works. Some people can create from scratch, but most, including myself aren't exactly good at that so have to use that as a crutch to get going. Even professional artists trace over images or recreate parts of them or use self references. It speeds up work and gives you something to ride on. Like so:

 

 

Pay for new game modes The Division

 

 

League of salt Legends... A skin, I think?

 

 

On the other hand, replicas aren't plagiarism because you're building them in honor of the original work, and they're next to impossible to plagiarize because they're popular... And stuff. In addition, you'll in some way end up advertising for the original media, probably all part of their evil plan for global domination.

 

Also, I can't decipher whether you intend your post to be hostile or just civil discussion, judging from your colourful post history. But this, little paragraph here, is admittedly ad hominem on my part. To answer your possibly rhetorical question of an example of a non-offensive disclaimer, No, that is excessive. A simple "Based on X-ship by Y-person" is enough. Any additional flair such as "You should go check him out" is of the poster's own accord.

 

On a side note, and I mean this in good faith, as much as it's ignored, proper spelling, punctuation and structuring can severely affect the delivery of your texts and the impression people get, in any media. Because, I was honestly confused for a time when reading your reply.

 

Yes, I'm a nitpicky asshole, but I do it because I love you. No homo, bruv